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AdExchanger Talks #500: I’ve Tried Everything But AdTech Therapy By
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Tuesday, September 8th, 2026 – 2:13 pm
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A podcast interview with
Jana Meron
Co-Founder


Scott Messer
Co-Founder


Traffic-starved digital publishers will do anything to make ad revenue these days – even go to therapy.
Hence why sell-side experts and independent consultants Jana Meron and Scott Messer launched their new joint venture, AdTech Therapy, earlier this year.
Meron and Messer join this week’s episode of AdExchanger Talks – which, by the way, happens to be our 500th episode! – to weigh in on the biggest challenges keeping publishers up at night.
First, we break down the implications of Judge Leonie Brinkema’s decision not to break up Google Ad Manager (GAM) – and why Google might be deprioritizing its ad tech business anyway in favor of shinier objects like AI.

Speaking of AI, there’s no bigger threat to publishers’ bottom lines than AI chatbots gobbling up engagement and keeping users from clicking through to websites. Add on the raft of monetization challenges media owners faced even before the AI era, and publishers are desperate for advice on how to keep their heads above water.
But, sometimes, Meron says, they just need reassurance that they’re all in the same (slowly sinking) boat.
Still, while there’s plenty of doom and gloom out there in the publisher community, Messer says, there’s plenty to be positive about, too.

Publishers are finding ways to turn AI to their advantage. They’re integrating chatbots into their properties to boost engagement. They’re using AI agents to find in-demand audiences that are currently underserved by their content. And they’re building new email-based businesses and getting more active on touch points that haven’t been taken over by the chatbots – yet.
Plus, new media quality measurement tools that have hit the market in recent years are helping publishers understand what the buy side wants better than ever before, according to Meron and Messer.
And, they point out, there are still opportunities for publishers to take advantage of programmatic’s deal curation craze – without relying on middlemen to curate their audiences for them.
“There is a really promising world where publishers can lead curation efforts,” Messer says. “Don’t just give all your toys away and wonder why you have nothing left to play with. Start pulling things back from the auction.”
Also in this episode: Comparing GAM’s new data co-op to publisher-led data collectives, the intricacies of Google’s recent impression-counting change and what the ad tech industry can learn from Meron’s and Messer’s experiences following the Grateful Dead and attending Burning Man.

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Traffic-starved digital publishers are grappling with significant challenges in securing ad revenue, leading some to seek intensive remedies, including therapy. This difficulty is highlighted by the joint venture launched by sell-side experts and independent consultants Jana Meron and Scott Messer, who discuss the major concerns keeping media owners awake at night. A central topic addressed is the implication of Judge Leonie Brinkema’s decision concerning Google Ad Manager, specifically examining why Google might be deprioritizing its ad tech business in favor of advancements like artificial intelligence.

Beyond structural issues, the proliferation of artificial intelligence presents an immense threat to publishers' bottom lines by absorbing user engagement and impeding click-through rates to websites. When layered with existing monetization difficulties, publishers are desperate for strategic advice on how to stabilize their financial footing. However, Messer notes that despite the prevailing sense of doom within the publisher community, there are also tangible positive opportunities emerging from this landscape.

Meron and Messer identify several avenues through which publishers can harness or adapt to the current environment. One approach involves strategically integrating chatbots into media properties to enhance user engagement. Furthermore, publishers are exploring the use of AI agents to discover high-demand audiences that remain underserved by their existing content. There is also an opportunity to develop new email-based businesses and expand activity on communication touchpoints that are not yet controlled by generative AI tools.

In addition to leveraging AI for content and audience strategy, the market development of new media quality measurement tools is proving beneficial, allowing publishers a deeper understanding of advertiser demands from the buy side. Moreover, there remains potential to capitalize on the programmatic deal curation trend by enabling publishers to lead curation efforts themselves, rather than passively relying on middlemen to select audiences. Messer suggests that publishers should resist simply handing over control and instead initiate processes to pull control back from the auction mechanisms. The discussion also touched upon the intricacies of Google’s recent changes regarding impression counting and how the broader ad tech industry can learn from the experiences of Meron and Messer in navigating complex, evolving platforms.